India’s new housing regulation which aims to improve transparency and accountability in the cash-driven real estate sector has prompted private equity firm KKR to increase lending in the real estate sector.
“We have done more (real estate lending) this year already, than we did in the entire last year,” KKR’s Chief Executive Officer Sanjay Nayar told BloombergQuint. Under the Real Estate Regulatory Authority Act, developers require more working capital, he explained.
Nayar said that KKR is “getting more comfortable” with the real estate sector since the new law was brought in that restricts developers from diverting more than 30 percent of the funds raised from one project on another.
Sanjay Nayar, CEO, KKR & Co IndiaDevelopers just can’t take sales money and skim the profit first and go buy the next piece of land. They have to deliver on that piece of land first.
Here are edited excerpts of the interview.
Conversations seem to suggest that the pocket which will do well is low-cost housing or housing in that bucket. Is that a reasonable estimate?
We are not a big real estate private equity guys, we are more into real estate lending. With the RERA coming in and with GST and demonetisation, I think we are getting more comfortable with the real estate sector. It was always a part of the informal economy becoming much more formal. GST and demonetisation will lead to formalisation. One sector which will benefit is the real estate where developers just can’t take sales money and skim the profit first and go buy the next piece of land. They have to deliver on that piece of land first.
What about the intermediate pain?
That’s okay. We have, in fact, increased our lending in the real estate sector and not reduced it. Because they need more working capital following RERA. We have done more this year already than we did the entire last year. So, formalisation is helping. We do mostly middle to low-middle to affordable and our lending has gone up. For affordable, if you get the right parcels, and the centre and state governments work together to get quick approvals going, then not only could it be the forced multiplier which is one of the multipliers for GDP but developers will start treating this like manufacturing. You buy a piece of land, make homes, you get the working capital from NBFCs and banks and you sell the homes rather than hoard the units. That is how it is done worldwide.
Do you reckon that the operational metrics for real estate companies will come off the margins?
It will come down.
Can we get the story of Gland Pharma?
We cannot comment on it. We had an incredible partner in Dr. Ravi Penmetsa and his father. It’s a unique asset. Technologically, it is not very extraordinary but it is just that the company is built on a certain set of culture and values of quality. What sets them apart from the rest is that they have got minimal U.S. FDA observations which makes it a very valuable asset in the trade. We had a great journey for two years. It was a rather long process to get into it and get out of it.
How long did it take you to get into it and out of it?
We took as much time outside the company as we took inside the company. The deal got announced on October 3 and it’s all closed now. The management and the promoters will own 26 percent and they are going to be in charge of the company for three years and we exit.
Do you believe that the pharma exporters will see a turnaround after multiple years of pain?
We are still doing a lot of conversions. We get API from China and the other markets and then we convert and sell. We need to innovate a lot more here and it’s not happening. It’s like you live on the cyclical numbers and you feel good about life quarter-on-quarter and life goes on, but structurally you have missed out on the change and innovation that is going on in the world. And you are seeing multiples come off.
Is anybody dipping into core sectors and not consumer sectors?
Derivatives of core, yes, like we did cement a long time ago. People are doing logistics now which will benefit a lot due to GST and seamless movements of goods. So, you will see derivatives of core for sure. As fas as core is concerned, this private equity pool of capital is not the right pool. Infra funds are not yet allocating to India. It will take a few years of government spending which they are doing, success of a few projects, inviting in a few sovereigns like come for this project and somebody make 4-5 percent dollars and go home and then this thing will catch on just as the portfolio of roads, portfolio of ports, portfolio of bridges that are being made.
Let the government seed them, let them take off the balance sheets of the government and let some foreigners who have big funds come in and make 6 percent on a predictable basis rather than what happened in the previous government where a lot of things went backward. You will be amazed at the amount of money that is available in the world to come to this part of the world. We have to demonstrate that we are done the assets, matured and you have constant policy on tolling. Right now, the government is still building that portfolio because they are spending a lot on their own and after that they should invite the foreigners including Indian savings because by then if you get the fiscal down then Indians can buy the same thing at 6 percent, inflation adjusted.
Watch the full interview with Sanjay Nayar here.
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